Those who argue against patient autonomy, in my experience, fit into two camps: those who don't realise that that is what they're actually doing when they argue against the right of a person with mental illness to refuse medication and treatment, and those who quite simply think that people with mental illness have sacrificed their right to autonomy through illness (and as often tacked to the end, "through no fault of their own"). Whilst both of these camps can include people who have either experienced some degree of mental illness themselves or who have seen loved ones battle with internal demons, it is those to whom these debates are purely theoretical who are the targets of this post.
I realise that at first glance, the issue of whether or not people with serious mental illness should "be able" to reject medication can seem like a bit of a no brainer. The medication makes you better, right? Mental illness is a pile of no fun, that can seriously fuck you up or even kill you, right? And no one wants to see a loved one go through the hell that mental illness can be, or the multitude of spin-off horrors that it can prompt. But even for those of us who are compliant, who have had good luck with medication and who choose to continue taking it, there can be spiralling costs that can seem to outweigh the benefits. For some, those costs may simply be greater than what they perceive the benefits to be, particularly if they have not found "the right" medication for them... or if it doesn't exist.
But! I've gotten sidetracked. I didn't start this post to lecture anyone, or to crack open arguments that have been closed. I started it to show you something.
Apologies for the shitty camera phone photo
That's a day in the life of medication, hexy-wise. Some of them I take in the morning, some at night, some throughout the day. The pile is actually a fair bit smaller than it's been at various other times, as I no longer need to take a mood stabiliser. (A shame, they're purple and really would have jazzed up the pic)
So, what's in the daily cocktail for hexy?
The little blue one? The contraceptive pill. Not really all that significant to this discussion, although one of it's many purposes is controlling the PMS-related mood triggers that can destabilise me monthly.
The green capsule? My latest antidepressant. "Latest" may seem an odd word to use there, but I'll give you a little history.
I've been on almost every SSRI on the Australian market, and a few non-SSRI antidepressants. Some have worked, some haven't. Those that worked, I've tended to grow immune to in a short time, necessitating withdrawal from them and starting again on a new and untested one. Thus far, the list looks something like this:
Zoloft: On it for six months. Might as well have been popping tic tacs. No effect, symptoms continued to escalate whilst taking the drug.
Avanza: Minimal effects. Dosage increased to maximum, then I was taken off it. Symptoms continued to escalate whilst taking the drug.
Effexor: This one worked for about a year. However, my tolerance to it escalated astronomically, requiring a dosage increase every four weeks until I was eventually taking the maximum dose. I then had to come off it... and can assure everyone that Effexor's dreadful reputation as the most horrible antidepressant to withdraw from is well deserved. It also made me jittery and clenchy, and I was more prone to manic episodes whilst on it.
Cipramil: Took a total of one pill. It sent me into a two-day long psychotic episode so severe that no one could get near enough to sedate me. Didn't bother trying a second dose.
Aropax: Worked briefly, but I was needing to increase my dose every four weeks. It also made me jittery and clenchy to the point where I ended up with aching muscles. Weaned off it after less than a year.
Edronax: Increased aggression to dangerous levels. I actually yelled at the children of some random woman in the supermarket. I nearly punched a woman in a bottle-o for the great crime of walking past me, and vomited from pure rage once. My pshrink didn't argue when I said I needed to stop taking it.
Luvox: Ah, Luvox. A SNRI. The closest I have to a success story. It controlled my depressive symptoms for nigh on four years, with a few dosage increases. Unfortunately, this year my brain finally figured out how to get around it, requiring me to abruptly withdraw from it and go on to the one I'm on now. I was in a pretty bad stated during the withdrawal, requiring time off work and some vigilant people around me.
Cymbalta: Current medication. Not yet at completely functional dose, but certainly doing something. Time will tell. I'm hopeful, as it's also an SNRI.
That might be all of them. I suspect there's a couple more, but my memory has failed me. Most of those medications within four years, though? With the associated side effects, withdrawal periods, and periods of completely uncontrolled depression when they didn't work, or when I had to come off them, or when I was waiting (and praying, and trying to hold on) for a new one to kick in and start doing its thing? Not a great deal of fun, and not exactly high-functioning hexy.
The thing is, this is not exactly an unusual experience for someone with severe depression, particularly when it's part of a complex diagnosis. The four years of being unable to work or take care of myself because nothing was working, the unmanageable side effects ranging from real, physical pain to periods of screaming-at-the-sky level crazy to mania and psychosis, the odds of the medication making my symptoms worse, the brief spots of relief punctuated by the news that my brain had "done that thing again!" and that I'd have to go through drug withdrawal whilst being monitored as a high-risk suicide threat? That's all part and parcel of what "taking your medication" can mean when talking about psychiatric medicine and mental illness.
Moving on. The two big matching white ones are my antipsychotic. In one sense, I'm extremely lucky: the first antipsychotic I was trialled on began to work, and has worked ever since. I've been on it for seven years now. The dosage has been adjusted up, then down, then up again, then down again, and will probably need to go up and down a few more times in future. That medication is the one that plays the biggest role in keeping me functional. It controls my schizoid symptoms quite well, excepting when I'm sent into a schizoid state by a manic or depressive episode. It makes me sleep, which is vital to me functioning comfortably AND to me participating in a world set up around schedules and business hours. It's got a bad side, though. It slows down my thinking, squashes my creativity, and prevents me from playing music or engaging with mathematics the way I used to. It's also caused me some physical problems, and those problems are my biggest argument against mandatory medication.
You see those other pills, that I haven't mentioned yet? The little yellow oval one, the little round white one, and the three medium sized white ones? Those are all medications I take to deal with permanent and potentially debilitating side effects and secondary conditions produced by my antipsychotic. They are all to treat serious conditions that I only have because of that compliance, because I've been dutifully taking my crazy-meds every day for the last seven years.
The little yellow one was the first to be added. It's to treat the reflux I now have to deal with. Taking medication every night for five years (at the time it was prescribed) had damaged the sphincter at the top of my stomach and increased the acidity of my stomach itself. The pain when the reflux flared up was indescribable. It sounds silly to say that for someone so common and simple as reflux, but it is honestly the greatest pain I can remember enduring. I would end up curled up in the foetal position, clutching at my swollen abdomen, bawling my eyes out, and completely unable to tell why I was hurting. Until the docs figured it out, I was forced to limit my food intake to those few, bland foods that didn't set it off... and then even those stopped working. Still, it's fairly simple: as long as I keep taking the pills, my stomach behaves itself aside from the occasional flareup. That's a model I'm already used to.
The three white ones were added recently. They're diaformin, which is a treatment for insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes. These do run in one side of my family, but no-one in my family can remember anyone ever developing diabetes before the age of fifty. Type 2 diabetes, though, is a common long term side effect of my antipsychotic. Thanks to taking that drug, and needing to continue to take it, I now have insulin resistance, and am lining up to deal with full blown diabetes far earlier than I should have to worry about it. The insulin resistance made me gain a lot of weight, and has changed my weight distribution to the point where my body is an entirely different shape to what I'm used to. Vanity aside, this has ramifications for my work. It has also increased the concentration difficulties I already have, and that are already exacerbated by the medications themselves. It means that I can't eat high-carb meals, ever, because I pass out immediately after eating them. I've had to leave parties because I've been literally about to fall asleep at the table after eating a burrito, or some yum cha. On top of all that, it increased my depressive symptoms, something that's extremely dangerous for someone with my diagnosis.
That leaves the little white one. That's the newest, added a little over a month ago, and the jury is still out on whether it needs to be joined by another little white pill. It's a synthetic thyroid hormone, and it's been added because over the past year, my antipsychotic has succeeded in causing hypothyroidism. It's stopping my thyroid gland from doing what it's supposed to do. This is adding to the weight gain, lethargy and cognitive issues, as well as contributing to depression. My hair has thinned, and my capacity to handle being cold has diminished. I don't know yet if the dosage needs to be increased to reach an effective level, but I'm yet to notice any change other than a slightly increased heart rate.
I will be on these three additional medications, and possibly the same antipsychotic, for the rest of my life. It's only been seven years, and I'm already dealing with a fairly heavy batch of "long term" side effects. I can't even begin to speculate about what state my body is going to be in after fifteen years on the drug, or twenty.
It's also worth noting that, significantly for people with disabilities, none of these medications are free. I'm lucky enough to live in Australia, and while the PBS isn't perfect, it does mean that I don't pay more than $38 for any of my medications. However, $38 per medication, per month, does add up, and each additional medication I need to add stretches my budget a little further. I'm up to six. The diabetic drug and the stomach angst drug are slightly cheaper than the others, but they also don't last a full month. I'm shelling out over $200 a month on medication, and I don't earn enough for that to not be an issue. Yes, it's cheaper if you're on a disability or sickness payment (between $4 and $8 a prescription) but believe me when I say that the provisos put in place by Centrelink for those benefits are fucking difficult to stick to when you're struggling with mental illness. Especially if you don't have a friend, spouse, carer or family member helping out.
On top of my medication costs, I now have regular massive dental bills to pay... and that is not covered by Medicare. How is the dentist relevant? Well, despite having excellent teeth that never even needed a filling until I was 19, they've been rotting out of my head in recent years. My antipsychotic reduces my saliva production, and it turns out that saliva is pretty important in keeping teeth healthy, functional, and not full of holes.
That's just a small sample of the issues inherent to the idea that people with mental illness should "just take their meds", or be medicated against their wishes. Psychiatric medications have improved a lot in recent years, but they're still hit and miss... and a lot of them are still as blunt as a brick in a sock. "Just take your meds" often translates into "just take that medication every day for the rest of your life, despite the massively unpleasant side effects, some of which will drastically shorten your life expectancy and require medication themselves. And that's AFTER you jump through all the hoops to find a medication that actually does something for you? Oh, and did we mention this is coming out of your paycheck? Aren't you glad you got functional enough to take that low-paying job?"
I still choose to take the medication. Many, many people with mental illness, whose allotment of extra shit is equal to or bigger than mine, do so. I've met people who can't work because they can't stop the uncontrollable drooling brought on by their antipsychotics, but who still take the antipsychotic. I've met people who, like me, have lost even the remnants of their old talents and the way they used to think... but who still take the medication. Significantly, I've met people who will declare themselves to no longer need the medication when they are manic or mad, but whose sober and rational assessment is that they do. These people often have their own procedures put in place to help them stay on the meds.
For many of us, the only encouragement we need to go through this particular hell and watch the side effects and negative consequences stack up is the promise that just maybe, these pills will stop us going through the far worse hells our brains can produce.
For others, though... sometimes the decision to opt out of the medication game is a sensible, rational and informed decision. Sometimes the benefits of the medication simply don't outweigh the costs.
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the decision to opt out of the medication game is a sensible, rational and informed decision.I'm a dispensary technician and I also take several medications (two with the same dental effects as yours - I'm in considerable dental pain right now and on antibiotics). It can be very difficult to see other staff making comments about people "stupidly" going off their medications but I try to educate! I know that I'm lucky to have found an anti-depressant that works for me with minimal (but not zero) side-effects, and I know this is far from true for everyone. Patient education needs to be more complex and patient-focused than "just take your meds" and one benefit of working in a very small pharmacy is that we do have time to actually talk to people about *why* they might not be taking their medications. Now, if only we had regular doctors in the area we'd be set.
You probably know about the Safety Net already, but it's gone up considerably this year, which pisses me off - it's a sneaky cost-cutting move aimed at the most vulnerable patients which has had no press at all, not even in pharmacy publications.
Akk, sorry to hear you're going through dental horrors. They're awful.
one benefit of working in a very small pharmacy is that we do have time to actually talk to people about *why* they might not be taking their medications.That's really good to hear! Too many health care workers simply assume that people are either too crazy or too stupid to stick to their regime.
I'm familiar with the Safety Net, and was using it when I was on a concession card. These days the limit is set so stupidly high that it's of no use to me, especially since I never manage to get all of my medication recorded.
Hexy, thank you for putting the time and effort into writing this. I've watched my dad struggle to deal with anti-depressants, but his side-effects were minor (uncontrollable sweating, mostly) and although he was on them for quite some time, it has not turned out to be a permanent thing. Hearing a little bit about what it's like from the inside is great. Great to have a chance to learn about it, I mean. Definitely not great that you and other people have to make such difficult decisions and are faced with weighing up which set of consequences is least bad, on top of dealing with the particular condition(s) in the first place. Thank you.
*nurses my poor mouth* Emergency appointments around here are made 2 weeks in advance, so I've still got 10 days to go!
Obviously, some patients don't want to talk about their medications, but we do have the time and opportunity to discuss it with them - it helps when you know all your customers by name, too, and have some idea what's going on in their lives.
The Safety Net is $1181 this year, so at $200/month you might well make it before the end of the year. If you know which pharmacies you've been to, you can ask them for a safety net printout later in the year rather than trying to accumulate a billion tiny stickers. I think those stickers are deliberate bureaucratic discouragement! Most pharmacies are connected to Medicare Online now - there's no reason why they couldn't automatically track your Safety Net.
Deborah: Thank you for the feedback! Glad to hear your dad was able to get off the anti-ds... I hear they do work that way for a few people!
lilacsigil: I hope they're 10 not-too-painful days. :(
I may see if my pharmacist can manage the print out! Thanks for the tip.
I've been really pleased with how helpful and supportive everyone who has commented on this post (either here or at Hoyden) has been. Thanks, all.
Thanks so much for this post, hexy. It's really eye-opening and I'm very grateful that you're sharing this with us.
Thanks for the comment :)
Thanks for this. I am going through a scary medication change due to kidney damage from very high doses for 15 years. I considered trying life without medication, I mean, it's been 15 years, maybe things have changed, right? I remembered going through 7 antidepressants before finding one that, like you, didn't make me want to kill people for having red hair or the temerity to park in the spot I'd chosen from across the lot. I'm off the old med, and sloping into the new, with a lag time of about a month and wondering what's going to happen. I've gained weight, lost creativity and sex drive, and wondered if it was worth it. I've also realized I'd probably have lost my family without the meds. So yeah, for me, it was worth it.
oh...and my medication costs run about $400/month,(and that's on generics) but I'm in the US.
Rootie: Thank you for sharing that. As horrible as it is to know you've dealt with the same thing, it's strangely reassuring to know I'm not sitting here alone!
Kidney damage, hey? That's no fun. Is it treatable?
And good luck with the new med. I've only just started to pick up after my change, and I know it can really seem futile when it hasn't started doing its thing yet. The wisdom a close friend gave me was to, if in doubt, repeat the following: "It's the fucking chemicals, fuckin!"
$400 per month? Ouch :(
Hexy I have read your post and can't help but think I have seen all these same complaints at a site I chat on called paxilprogress.org this site is a support site for withdrawing from antidepressants.(originally started I think for paxil withdrawal and taper but has infor and posters using all sorts of anitdepressants )
I was surprised to read that you have all the same complaints but atribute the cause to antipsychotics. This is just a general observation of mine and I can't help but wonder if your troubles are caused by antidepressants since you have taken them too. Could you tell me why you think your drug treated issues are from the other drug?
I realise you are feeling in need of these meds and am not judging in anyway also I am in no way suggesting you taper or quit your meds I am posting a link to a post quite the same as this at the end of this comment. I have put a link on pp to this blog hope you don't mind.
paxilprogress is a searchable site where you can search for any of the symptoms you have listed as the link I am posting is very general. We have a few posters from Australia which can be found under "Kiwi's kicking it"
Here is the link to the general chat about drugs for other drug side effects:
I found this blog today this person is discussing his medications that treat the side effects of his psych drugs.
I thought it interesting and made a list from his post which can be found here:
http://www.hexpletive.com/2009/05/mental-illness-medication-and.html
He live in Australia so the names of the drugs may not be the same as where you live.
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“You see those other pills, that I haven't mentioned yet? The little yellow oval one, the little round white one, and the three medium sized white ones? Those are all medications I take to deal with permanent and potentially debilitating side effects and secondary conditions produced by my antipsychotic. They are all to treat serious conditions that I only have because of that compliance, because I've been dutifully taking my crazy-meds every day for the last seven years”
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Little yellow pill sorry he doesn’t name it is for reflux.
“diaformin, which is a treatment for insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes”
another little white pill. It's a synthetic thyroid hormone, and it's been added because over the past year, my antipsychotic has succeeded in causing hypothyroidism. It's stopping my thyroid gland from doing what it's supposed to do. This is adding to the weight gain, lethargy and cognitive issues, as well as contributing to depression. My hair has thinned, and my capacity to handle being cold has diminished. I don't know yet if the dosage needs to be increased to reach an effective level, but I'm yet to notice any change other than a slightly increased heart rate.
How is the dentist relevant? Well, despite having excellent teeth that never even needed a filling until I was 19, they've been rotting out of my head in recent years. My antipsychotic reduces my saliva production, and it turns out that saliva is pretty important in keeping teeth healthy, functional, and not full of holes
Drugs to treat the side effects of drugs is quite common I think and if you would like to take a look you find my old list here http://www.paxilprogress.org/forums/showthread.php?t=38630
I was surprised to read that you have all the same complaints but atribute the cause to antipsychotics. This is just a general observation of mine and I can't help but wonder if your troubles are caused by antidepressants since you have taken them too. Could you tell me why you think your drug treated issues are from the other drug?Because they are side effects that are conclusively proven to result from long term anti-psychotic use. Some anti-depressants have similar long term side effects (for example, Luvox can also cause type 2 diabetes. Since I was taking both drugs for nearly four years, they probably both contributed) but I have been on my antipsychotic for a far longer consistent period than any of the antidepressants.
Some antidepressants, of course, have completely different side effects.
We have a few posters from Australia which can be found under "Kiwi's kicking it"Heh. Obviously not that many Australians. The "Aussies aren't Kiwis and Kiwis aren't Aussies" rage is pretty potent down here. :)
Um... the rest of your comment is quoting my post. I'm a bit confused by that.
Sorry for the confusion I have to say I too am confused as what I am seeing here is not what I posted. I did leave you a link to paxilprogress.org (which is missing)where you would have found the kiwi kicking it post. A few things appear to have been added to my previous post some deleted. I can't explain that. Iobviously have a security issue.
I still consider myself very lucky that the first anti-depressant they tried me on (an SSRI called citalopram) worked, and has continued to work (coming up to my 2-year anniversary on that one, although at the moment my GP is trying to wean me off them).
That whole thing about people believing psych meds "make you better" rings so very true. Again, I find I am so lucky that the people who know about my depression are also well aware that the pills don't make me better, they make me functional. And I'm one of the lucky ones there, too!
Incidentally, my GP told me that they get about 50% compliance on psych meds that are prescribed.
Citalopram is Cipramil... it's the one that gave me the two-day-long psychotic episode :) I'm glad it works for you.
The shit time I've had with antidepressants makes me all the more grateful for my antipsychotic. I can't imagine going through that on two or three fronts at once!
That 50% figure is interesting!
Thank you so much for this post. I was on Effexor for a while but had problems taking it like it was prescribed because I felt like it squashed who I was; I wasn't creative, I couldn't think as well, I accepted mediocrity from myself. And that's not who I'd been before that. (Fortunately, after another crisis I'm on a mood stabilizer and another anti-depressant that seem to be working so far, but we'll see how it goes. I'm optimistic right now! Side-effects are... not as bad as other meds I've been on so it feels almost like there's none. Hah!)
I think this is an incredibly important message for people to know, that drugs aren't a magic "cure-all" that sure, they can make you functional if you're lucky and they work for you, but there's costs. So thank you again.
Icca: Thanks for commenting! I hope your new cocktail works for you.
I love this message and it is one that I think about relatively often, as I have taken many different "cocktails" during the past nine years. I really hope that Cymbalta works out for you! I started that drug a little over a year ago and I call it "my miracle pill." Recently, I decided that I'm done with Seroquel, an antipsychotic that worked wonderfully for a while, but when it made me too sleepy to work (I had to call in sick), I decided to call it quits for that medicine. I crave independence and so anything that prevents that is simply out for me. So far, the Lithium and Cymbalta seem to be picking up the slack. I have been better at being compliant when it's been easier to see a doctor and that is something that those arguments you talk about usually do not address. In fact, I had to leave my last college, because there were no psychiatrists who were ever able to see me soon enough in that area (and that is in the USA).
Good luck to you-I hope Cymbalta is as good to you as it is to me!
Thanks for the encouraging comment! I certainly hope so, too.
As for Seroquel, one of the specific quirks of my atypical brain is that I don't seem to get the natural impetus to sleep. Left unmedicated, I'll stay awake for days at a time. Because of this, the sleep-inducing nature of Seroquel is a god send for me.
I do, however, know quite a few people who have had to ditch it because it makes them too drowsy to function.
I'm actually usually the same way, so I may need to take Seroquel again in the future. That medicine acts really funny with my body and sometimes it has to be a low dose to nothing at all, because it makes me too sleepy and then sometimes it has to be at a really high dose AND I have to take extra sleeping pills to get to sleep. Go figure...
Yeah, it's effectiveness in the sleep department fluctuates for me as well.
I know quite a few people who go on and off an antipsychotic as needed, rather than taking it consistently.
Thanks for sharing this Hexy. I've been rereading since you posted it. It's really helpful. I'm going through med hell at the moment myself x
Thanks for the feedback :) I hope your med hell eases up soon.
I am so damned lucky to have had the first antidepressant I tried work - at low doses - with minimal side effects. I wish everyone had my luck with the meds.
You are! I wish that, too.
I feel similarly about my luck with the anti-psychotic, but it would be nice if it would do a little less of the body-destroying.
I'm a mental health nurse .. hopefully that disclosure won't automatically have me strung up!!??
Since I'm also only in my second year of practice in this speciality, I'm both interested and concerned about the medications I am forcing on people (CTOs etc etc).
At the moment we are in the midst of an identity crisis, i.e. evil- biomedical-model-handmaidens-of- psychiatrics versus caring-sharing-talk-Tidal Model a la Phil Barker.
And our unwitting public (a.k.a. yourselves) are caught in the middle of it.
It's been interesting to read your perspectives on how medication has helped (sort of).
I've had my doubts lately, possibly due to moving into community health from acute/inpatient - as in if someone comes in floridly psychotic, the "benefits" of medications are arguably more apparent (although is it actually the benefits of some judiciously administered benzos, some hot meals, a shower and a few nights uninterrupted sleep OR the antipsychotics) versus showing up for a depot each fortnight when having a secure income stream and the assurance of a roof over your head at any one time is the real problem.
One of my "older" colleagues (in practice) has helpfully suggested I go back to med:surg and "get over it" if I can't see the "obvious" benefits of medication.
Okey dokey.
Late to the party on this, but have you found any particular food choices or diets that help with the reflux? I suspect I have something similar, after years on SSRIs, and after food poisoning, ulcers and salmonella all leaving their marks, I have to carefully choose what I eat.
Anony: When it first started I tried to control it with diet, and found that cutting out high fat foods did some work. It stopped being effective, though, and these days I can't control it unless I regularly take somac. I have noted, though, that now I can go several months without it and take the somac for a couple of weeks when I have a flare up.
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